useless procedures.

perhaps you didn't notice, but these days there are bunches of procedures against high profile persons. Annoyingly most take place here, in this nation, netherlands,

the credibility is low , even here. If anything is shown on tv (i dont watch it much), its poche people having almost overtly poche opinions and a very 'liberal'
(rightwing cryptofascist) talk, that say stuff. Obviously making a heap of money there.

whats obvious is they neither want to loose their job nor their relevance, tho importance is a better word here perhaps.

Apart from that incidental pro- pro- propagation, there is none said about it here. People don't follow the provedures, papers don't publish them. What i get to hear comes from international sources.


A lot of the guys that end up in these new procedures (supposedly for human rights),
die in the dutch prisons. charles taylor, karadzic? and others still alive, one wonders how they will be dealt with.

So from that perspective it seems these procedures serve an international purpose. Noone here appears to really care more then me. And i don't care much about show trials.

Apparently this kind of use of the tool of justice gave satisfying results before.
Otherways why would the show go on? But it is humiliating, justice is not served.

partial pocje people with partial poche opinions and motives judging partially not so poche people. A krap show.

Lately i saw a comment calling it the zionist the hague. It struck me, i think it is so, so that the hague will never say a thing anti israel, like they won't conclude anything against western multinational corporations.

For me it doesn't appear zionist that much, i am used to poche people promoting targets that will only serve the very rich. The whole thought hadn't even occured to me.(i think)

so it struck me, perhaps you know it's a hot itaem at the moment?

Thats is because the assasination of harire is now also subject of a hagueish procedure, a very out of context one. The results of the initial inveestigation were not to the likes of usa and israel, so now the netherlands will be a tool to promote the lie in people..

well i have a weak interesse in justice, trials etc. so i did actually keep a bit up to date when milosevic was there. Tho it's kept out of publicity here, i think they fear protests. It was so shitty, so prejudiced , so anti-milosevic from the first second to the last it belongs to the great shames of history what is taking place in the hague now.

As a result i have the following problem: how and where will we judge guilt and complacity in cases where human rights are violated.

Because that human rights have been violated in any of the defendents nations is painfully obvious.

It's a classical dillema, the neurenberg trials did decide the indicidual was responsible for their deeds, even in the light of a militairy structure of ordres and represailles,, befehl ist befehl was not a valid excuse..

after a while (so abouts 1960) it became obvious however, befehl ist befehl was only not an excuse for germans, and a collective blame was sought (and found) in the mentality allowing the fascism. A collective guilt, one noone knows how to cope yet, in a world where ordre is still ordre, befehl ist immer noch befehl..

The very latest such fraude is the bashir case, for all you innocent who don't know i will try and explain, hasir is the president of sudan. I hope he leaves soon, no kidding, he has been president for many years, and personally i do blame him partly for the deathtoll that was the result.

Yet you cannot judge that really without a fair trial, an option there is not. The hague is a political tool, howver bad its victims have behaved it is allways only one side that is judged, where are the bushes and balkenendes in these trials, how do millions of iraki count less then 1000s of jugoslavs? and why is bombing 60k or more serbs to dead in a single event not a massmurder? not a crime against humanity?

The trial against bashir , and with him sudan , africa and the muslem nations, is only to get a hold on the darfur oil. If you know it, it is painfull to watch.

perhaps even worse is that this unfairness will not result in better human rights. These procedures socalledly promoting human rights, actually serve the opposite purpose.


what a waste, so i have been thinking, what then...
i like the cambodian trial more there. At least part of the case (it is an international incite once again) is fared through khmer themselves.

i think so long presidents can stay for years, so long nations can kill millions unhampered, thosse kind of trials are better of in the nations where the stuff actually took place. I don't think it will work much better or faster ( a bit tho),
but we dont become complicit in the destruction of the real meaning of justice.

ok a couple of rich blokes from a rich familys will loose a well payed, highly valued job, but it would be a good step towards human rights (and probably cheaper;)

errata HRW

I made a few mistakes in my analyses of the past days, (at least 1) that i want to correct.
Firstly in my posting on zimbabwe, i confused arthur mutambaro(?), with the presidential candidate that represented the younger faction of ZANU. Or the press confused his political alliance at the time of the elections.(with the 2 both named arthur it is what i actually think.)

Heh, i am glad i settled that. It is also possible that western media outlets prefer renegade mdc over renegade zanu, and even that his agreeing to zanu was related with me confusing his allegiance. However tsvangirai again walked out..
And mugabe still limiting his moves. So its not a process with a great pace.

I must say i understand tsvangirai position is harder then mugabes. Mugabe has a win win situation on hand. Either a constructive agreement with mdc can be made, wich would bear great guarantee for zimbabwe military and political independence, or the result is negative for MDC and he will continue his own (power conservative) policys.
great win, or no change from the current situation then for him.
Tsvangirai otoh is confronted with consessions. He is not rili allowed to become president, sth that both personally (a bit weird that) as politically bothers him, he wants "the position of mugabe" esp. the power connected. We have to forgive him that because he does indeed have the political ambitions to make big changes, from his perspective he could only do so from the position mugabe is in.

A bit shortsighted perhaps but in the eye of compromise still understandable, he does want to make sure he is in a position to make changes politically.

From several sources it seems however tsvangirai will not be ready for concessions, his international backers have a wishlist, thats one, the concessions asked from him are (i pressume) partly political ones, (having to do with foreign influence/interests and investment)These may well contradict the foreign wishlist, and also he himself is in a mood "not to wait another 4 years". Wich you might call the domestic aspect.

Personally i support mugabes policy to find political guarantee for the former colony. In that sense i disagree with the western powers that practically want their hands free to cheat in an uncontrollable fashion. Administration and burocratic reports are uncontrollable to the public.

Wich brings me to the next subject.. Human rights watch....
Firstly i strongly support independend rights organisations, amnesty having failed the barr of independence, now human rights watch is the first to attack russia..

so far so good. human rights are the ebst thing we have and the attention is of great importance. BUT!
human rights watch did check georgian villages to find proof of destruction, (?) called attrocious by usa(..) did report on inhumane crimes perpetrated tehre (backed down to destruction now tho(?). However they didnt check anything the georgians did, or report on georgia n actions. That they did not.

so thats the next human rights organisation to disappear to the dustbin of history.

I dont want anyone to claim over human rigths and still be biased.
These organisations that do that are among the guilty ones behind the massmurder and massmurder through military means. Not georgia, no bosnia, irak, afghanistan vietnam, in each case they have been abusing human rights to apply more violence.

Done with human rights watch thus. Its just a replacement for amnesty with standard nato block desinformation and possibly lies. (the thought georgia or its partners murdered its own civilians to blame russia occured to me easily (..)

That besides there is no sign of objectivity, it is a gross shame the world is like this at this point in time.

Also perhaps i failed to clear up that the situation is not over, can't be over as long as western governments are spreading lies and desinforming their public.

The west and nato have encrouched on russia unabatedly ever since 1991, it makes no sense to wait for future agression, further encrouchment and more preparations for a war that would no doubt be attrocious and inhumane, teh one against russia.

Russia is not dealing with independent nations, it is dealing with an agressive imperialist pact. that has shown no mercy when killing millions. To just wait and wait untill you are the ideal target, is not an option.

Only a make over, and swipe, of international policys and its purposes will really bring an end to the situation, and perhaps by being annoyingly apparent in georgia russia is making that point.

A destabilised planet should be ready to watch its history, in that sense the kossovo case and the russian complaints about that should have been (and still be) headed more attention.

Its very hard to draw the line between humanitarian intervention and agression in georgia, however considering usia feat of kossovo eg. support should be with russia.
This is a clash of ideologys, the ideology of truth (russia) and the oen of lies and desinformation (western capitalist block). I dont think russia will let it be solved to no consequences.

Practically georgian guarantees could fill that need, after all a restabilised caucasus and a safe side in the south would be enough gains for russia to settle.

For this it appears imperative the government of georgia changes. Saaksavilli has been consistently lieing about what went of in georgia and trying to rally his people back to violence on nationalistic grounds. Nazis dont easily let go their grip on power. people that have their power base in populist nationalist sentiments will always be willing to apply violent and racist methods.
Plus he is bought, he is in a camp, the camp that wants human rights to be an excuse for violence, no matter that both sides do equally bad or they are worse themselves.

Sorry for him, sorry for georgia, sorry for all of us even more, but that is how things are, and what will decide our future.