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Showing posts with label palestine. Show all posts
Showing posts with label palestine. Show all posts
Thursday, November 22, 2012
gaza opening
the drama unfolded, accusations, blaming and demonisation struck quick and hard,
apparently bombs fell,
after a few days i searched a live stream. it happened that RT had one, it even sometimes showed a different angle , and transmitted pieces arab and chinese negotiations (thx for not translating)
live streams are anyhow a good tool, even if they sometimes have you staring at a still for hours, the situation can only still be manipulated (in the media usually) to a smaller degree.
gaza however almost fits in one camera field.
it was painfully impressive, in no time the high rise stood shaking, and would i post something a bomb would fall.
yet the first thing that occured before the bombs had time to touch the ground was what a terrible nuisance drones are.
outright incredible, i wonder completely how much of this torture the international community so far allowed.
also i wonder , and i have not the faintest, how much the same goes for pakistan and yemen, are these people also bombarded with the noise of traffic jams at high speed mixed with second worldwar aerial warfare of unknown dimension?
an everlasting airbattle? it got me sad and nervous and also ill very soon.
the next night the sound was dimmed to the point of being almost off. and i saw examples of scrambling,
strangely exactly by the parties that we just read were the victim of that practice..
what a surprise (not)
bombs still dropped, very loud ones even, as the building didnt shake they were big. and the drones were there, not probably much more distant.
a next night came, and even if i hated the view i put on the camera again, it went off-air (happens a lot with livecams, the conditions are not rarely suspect)
found another and as it was yesterdaynight, a truce was anounced (moreless the third such attempt, i feared the most)
enormous shooting was the theatre, the groundwar had broke loose, could hardly hear the drones,
claxoning, singing and cheering people made obvious this was probably a celebration,
not so hard to understand they were happy, hanya held a speech, oh i got he was satisfied with results, the air would be cleared, water sourced and borders opened.
he smiled all the way, nah not really, but was he happy!
this was still in arab, and i had seen the scene in gaza, was actually probably still watching it somewhat perplexly, so i took it that he was declaring a farfetched and great victory, wo these horrible costs and losses, only today i understood it got a bit better.
over the conditions of the cease-fire the borders , water and air, (and a few more i did not understand or hear), and ofcourse the condition of ceasing fire and hostilitys, haniya achieved another thing.
hamas was directly involved in the negotiations.
it means we are making a start with disbanding the practice of criminalising whole populaces, just because some (very rich people) say they can.
a bigger change than that we could have hoped of.
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Tuesday, August 5, 2008
zionism reason of censoring
For me it is nothing new, i must admit, often when i turned anti israeli in a post somewhere suddenly the thoughts police appeared apparent , and my posts got manipulated or just remained unposted. i was wondering what was behind with alJ. apparently i am not allowed to publish in threads about israel.
Well apparently the israeli manipulation is bussy once again making the world population believe a couple of lies. I don't think their activitys are more deplorable then the usian or dutch, altho they are so on a large scale and sometimes quite different level.
Anyhowe be warned, my instinct puts it for preparation of a war to iran (something big), but it may also be a heightening of palestines repression that is their first most important interesse. I must add my posts get marked and unpublished even if i say no of the above things, and just neutrally and objectively describe what i see happening. (because predictably the whole distastefull list of accusations will be made against me, like antisemite, prejudiced, etc., well the only thing that got clear from that is that zionist and neocon are also the same)
Tactically it may still be usefull to consider it means israeli politics will basically not change under anyone else then olmert, like it didn't under him.
They will keep on blaming 'the other' palestine, lebanese, arab, shia. or iranian (atm.)
Well apparently the israeli manipulation is bussy once again making the world population believe a couple of lies. I don't think their activitys are more deplorable then the usian or dutch, altho they are so on a large scale and sometimes quite different level.
Anyhowe be warned, my instinct puts it for preparation of a war to iran (something big), but it may also be a heightening of palestines repression that is their first most important interesse. I must add my posts get marked and unpublished even if i say no of the above things, and just neutrally and objectively describe what i see happening. (because predictably the whole distastefull list of accusations will be made against me, like antisemite, prejudiced, etc., well the only thing that got clear from that is that zionist and neocon are also the same)
Tactically it may still be usefull to consider it means israeli politics will basically not change under anyone else then olmert, like it didn't under him.
They will keep on blaming 'the other' palestine, lebanese, arab, shia. or iranian (atm.)
Monday, March 12, 2007
palestine
Palestine
(warning ahead, although i try to introduce a lot of jokes there is no way this need to be considered a 'nice' story, it is scary.)
the essence of the situation for the palistineans is hardly to claim palestine . It is in essence the right to claim palestine identity.This right has not been an easy one, so if we don't consider to give the palestines their rights, to live a live of equal standard and identity in palestine, but restrict theirs to specific parts of the territory, we should have some respect for the sincerity of history.
In most respects, 1968 is the period 'of what my father said' if only one side is expected not to remind what their fathers said I don't see well how such disrespect could ever lead to mutual respect.
However if this is the place and time to solve all this i don't know. I guess certain problems are not 'the earlier the better'solved.
Obviously from my remote perspective the westbank and east jeruzalem situation appear very much a palestinean case as well. I find no justification for the revenge on a people that had been discriminated. I think that was a wrong decision made on the wrong grounds in that time.
In fact i am only completely before integration of the (2) population groups. On many places we need to learn to live in a world we share, and not all kinds of diversions and distributions will bring future good.
It is also a historical and perhaps unimaginable truth palestineans have perceived the traditional situation as repressive. So in that case it must be obvious that the standards had been a different set of rules.(namely basicly rules applicated to everyone )
The next reason for this is that when palestine is a prosperous area the current palestinean territorys have been untill this point in history starved to the bone. well i hope not, but recent supranational policy has not shown that much respect for the need of palestinean people. That means not only that they are in a bad state of development but it also means they are ill equiped to become a better file, even if no loads of exceptions, regulations and arrangments would burden such an isolated stripe. Anyhow at this moment the influence over palestineans affairs has been complete.
I don't even want to justify this outside the usual terror of a criminal government over minority people.But i realise some people have realised that when u discriminate people
for long enough they will become discriminated.(international boykot)
Even when people like ahmedinajaadh and mine interesse in the sociopolitical accuracy of every story's contexts overrules some interests, what it shows like in people without a tough and broad knowledge around these subjects is perhaps not worth relating it. However well-intended they also derive their own abhorrent conclusions over abhorrent affairs.
another thing unmentioned, is why would not be a somewhat-jewish state in that location be doomed to fail by lack of space? Who knows if that is in fact the matter. Thats it is just some mechanism of negative feedback for to many people. And that indeed not only the west bank but also the attack on libanon can be viewed as some kind of 'unleashed' territorial agression objectively only. Ask a palestinean how much space u need to offer a decent cultural life
to a jemenite?
It seems that the limit of sadness permits many jokes with history.yet it is not everywhere the time to make a joke over palestines.(it's the boykot) Meanwhile i can wonder if they have had palestineans that can think such a thing shot. wich is relevant. The relevance of recognising palestinean identity.
(warning ahead, although i try to introduce a lot of jokes there is no way this need to be considered a 'nice' story, it is scary.)
the essence of the situation for the palistineans is hardly to claim palestine . It is in essence the right to claim palestine identity.This right has not been an easy one, so if we don't consider to give the palestines their rights, to live a live of equal standard and identity in palestine, but restrict theirs to specific parts of the territory, we should have some respect for the sincerity of history.
In most respects, 1968 is the period 'of what my father said' if only one side is expected not to remind what their fathers said I don't see well how such disrespect could ever lead to mutual respect.
However if this is the place and time to solve all this i don't know. I guess certain problems are not 'the earlier the better'solved.
Obviously from my remote perspective the westbank and east jeruzalem situation appear very much a palestinean case as well. I find no justification for the revenge on a people that had been discriminated. I think that was a wrong decision made on the wrong grounds in that time.
In fact i am only completely before integration of the (2) population groups. On many places we need to learn to live in a world we share, and not all kinds of diversions and distributions will bring future good.
It is also a historical and perhaps unimaginable truth palestineans have perceived the traditional situation as repressive. So in that case it must be obvious that the standards had been a different set of rules.(namely basicly rules applicated to everyone )
The next reason for this is that when palestine is a prosperous area the current palestinean territorys have been untill this point in history starved to the bone. well i hope not, but recent supranational policy has not shown that much respect for the need of palestinean people. That means not only that they are in a bad state of development but it also means they are ill equiped to become a better file, even if no loads of exceptions, regulations and arrangments would burden such an isolated stripe. Anyhow at this moment the influence over palestineans affairs has been complete.
I don't even want to justify this outside the usual terror of a criminal government over minority people.But i realise some people have realised that when u discriminate people
for long enough they will become discriminated.(international boykot)
Even when people like ahmedinajaadh and mine interesse in the sociopolitical accuracy of every story's contexts overrules some interests, what it shows like in people without a tough and broad knowledge around these subjects is perhaps not worth relating it. However well-intended they also derive their own abhorrent conclusions over abhorrent affairs.
another thing unmentioned, is why would not be a somewhat-jewish state in that location be doomed to fail by lack of space? Who knows if that is in fact the matter. Thats it is just some mechanism of negative feedback for to many people. And that indeed not only the west bank but also the attack on libanon can be viewed as some kind of 'unleashed' territorial agression objectively only. Ask a palestinean how much space u need to offer a decent cultural life
to a jemenite?
It seems that the limit of sadness permits many jokes with history.yet it is not everywhere the time to make a joke over palestines.(it's the boykot) Meanwhile i can wonder if they have had palestineans that can think such a thing shot. wich is relevant. The relevance of recognising palestinean identity.
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logs witch blisst (not operating link section)
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Personally i try not to be rude.
However sometimes i screw up.
Basically i will remove, discriminating and hate posts. And comments clearly derivant from well prepared 'neocon' (kapitalist) pr or secret service agents. (aivd , fbi, mossad etc.)
Dutch language is welcome.
English prefered, sorry if that bothers my fellow countryman who always seem to think they know how to handle their languages. Ill edit this some time;)
wanted terrorist: name silencer aka stealotron
Through lies and fraud this one is managed to rob 1000000s of the fruits of their work and their voice