gaza opening

the drama unfolded, accusations, blaming and demonisation struck quick and hard,

apparently bombs fell,

after a few days i searched a live stream. it happened that RT had one, it even sometimes showed a different angle , and transmitted pieces arab and chinese negotiations (thx for not translating)

live streams are anyhow a good tool, even if they sometimes have you staring at a still for hours, the situation can only still be manipulated (in the media usually) to a smaller degree.
gaza however almost fits in one camera field.

it was painfully impressive, in no time the high rise stood shaking, and would i post something a bomb would fall.

yet the first thing that occured before the bombs had time to touch the ground was what a terrible nuisance drones are.

outright incredible, i wonder completely how much of this torture the international community so far allowed.

also i wonder , and i have not the faintest, how much the same goes for pakistan and yemen, are these people also bombarded with the noise of traffic jams at high speed mixed with second worldwar aerial warfare of unknown dimension?

an everlasting airbattle? it got me sad and nervous and also ill very soon.

the next night the sound was dimmed to the point of being almost off. and i saw examples of scrambling,
strangely exactly by the parties that we just read were the victim of that practice..

what a surprise (not)

bombs still dropped, very loud ones even, as the building didnt shake they were big. and the drones were there, not probably much more distant.

a next night came, and even if i hated the view i put on the camera again, it went off-air (happens a lot with livecams, the conditions are not rarely suspect)

found another and as it was yesterdaynight, a truce was anounced (moreless the third such attempt, i feared the most)

enormous shooting was the theatre, the groundwar had broke loose, could hardly hear the drones,
claxoning, singing and cheering people made obvious this was probably a celebration,

not so hard to understand they were happy, hanya held a speech, oh i got he was satisfied with results, the air would be cleared, water sourced and borders opened.

he smiled all the way, nah not really, but was he happy!
this was still in arab, and i had seen the scene in gaza, was actually probably still watching it somewhat perplexly, so i took it that he was declaring a farfetched and great victory, wo these horrible costs and losses, only today i understood it got a bit better.

over the conditions of the cease-fire the borders , water and air, (and a few more i did not understand or hear), and ofcourse the condition of ceasing fire and hostilitys, haniya achieved another thing.

hamas was directly involved in the negotiations.

it means we are making a start with disbanding the practice of criminalising whole populaces, just because some (very rich people) say they can.

a bigger change than that we could have hoped of.

ship on an ocean of syrup

poor all of us, what a sticky times we live in. it must be old ideas. i wonder if anyone would still be interested in what is new.

well let me start with guinnee, omg. that's not much, i get the impression camaro and some diplomats tried to get something going, but all(..?!) the opposition, so i suppose the ones handpicket by some, prefer to stay in hiding. yeah maybe they are right. perhaps there should be something more reliable to represent that fabulous, almost untouchable superthing of democrazy.

Just something material, soon as one dictator dies , like in guinnee, the un intervents, they send a concrete election cake for the ppl to chew.

at least they can choose: green , red, pragmatically red, make belief local 1, make belief local 2, something that will be called centrists, and will be right wing, and something that will be called liberals, and will be a party for all the autocrats and promote fascism.

then we can start a credible election fraud before we start killing the people.
okay.. uhm.. killing people.

people died there yes? a whole lot of them, 157 probably. apparently more people have died there that such a number casually occurs. oh wait, it was a dictature..mh?
and the cops and militairy are quite the same people..

i think it doesn't really tell if it is enough to judge camaro here, i just don't know, hirelings..? well it's next door.., and uh.. if i am not mistaken the socalled " democratical opposition" is the dictators bunch, that wouldn't be the great leap ahead either.

it's a terrible number of deaths, and the people should insist on him stepping down,
but there should be the option to vote for his game i guess, and uh... in madagaskar actually all the world cried out the murdering president should stay,

and in yemen? none of them cry out anything about yemen, where there were like 100 deaths on the first day of the offensive 3 weeks ago, ok the magical word iran fell.

Very sad profiling, k, yemen. its the same old stupid story, concurence, market, one of the groups has the power, and they love the other nothing. the whatever, huatu?
group is a remnant of a nationalist group that has been engaged by parties to fare war before, for their culture, lands, language, and since they cut all the tree's 1000's of years ago, religion.

that's why a lot of declaredly religious people are so much against green, if we all respected nature there would be no market for religion.
(that's a joke but a political reality)

mh.. iran.. what can i say to bring more attention to my dear iran, ha, did you hear a nucleair physist or some such got abducted/defected? poor guy, wernher von braun avant garde, i guess he gets a nice job.

what is the philosophy behind it, yet another blow to iran, i think . a bit sad and under the guirdle, sticky.

mh next gaza, mitchell has been send to gaza to negotiate,
with a 3 weeks cease fire the israeli's will dare to go to gaza and debate with mitchell on how quickest to solve the blockade, abbas will also be there, but not allowed to leave. for a compromise the israeli envoy's also only get 24h acces.

mh , can't invite abbas. ok will have to do without. i don't mind. well 12 hours should be enough for the israeli's then, it's the security measures that are prohibitive.(big problem in rio as well, but they will put the capitalist representatives on a boat). i forgot to propose to ask the usians to lend us an aircraft carrier for that, so their athletes can train a bit.

no you don't have to thank me mitchell, ask the israeli's to write you a poll and you will think mormon's are real democrats.

k next.. total windpower this year was not as much as has happened before, ok that is coupled with heaps of catastrophic storms, but that does not at all have to do with unpredictable effects of humans destroying the ecosphere, it's a sign capitalism is perfect. mh, that's the economical revenue the capitalists make these days on al jazeera.

but i understand from the wider world most people are really compasionate with nature, earth, and when they have the information, climate and ecology. so perhaps 2009 will bring something good after all,

what we should get in denmark is a cooperation that is both mutual and well i think proportional *is* the best word, proportional.

developing nations get the right to develop their consumption to the same level as usia, (that has been consuming the most for ages), they are obliged however to implement any costefficient innovation. the mutuality being that the developed nations, with their predictable greater reserves of knowledge, material and ghost money are held to exchange such viable technology freely. there will need to be provisions to make it happen. china is somewhat developed, and somewhat organised, but india and many other nations are well behind that by any standard.

so.. then it will be easy, since we have more facility and preparation, more experience with the damage, (so perhaps more expertise to know where to start or what exactly to prevent first) we are a better testingground, as soon as such technology get's available it is our responsability to hand it that huge part of the world we never admitted development.

ofcourse technological exchange in that sense can be all mutual, but you might also want to hand them some "capitalist" advantages for 40 years or so.

ha, did you hear it is now scientific, the heating of the earth's crust is bound to produce earthquake's. it's all so simple, why is it so hard to accept reality for what it is? clear, lovely , simple and infinite.

From Gaza with love

I don't understand why Al Jazeera always makes a great issue when it comes to any religion than Islam ! muslims around the clock are islamising the whole world and Al Jazeera never talks ..... what kind of policy of Media is this !! Let people try and choose whatever they want ... we are in the 21st Centuary and it's shame that many people are still living in 11 Centuary .... the time when no one was allowed to think or criticise the religion or the barbarian regime !
Let's give people all possible choices to choose themselves, and I believe no religion is extremely true religion.
Amer, GAZA, Palestinian Territory

Amen

gazA

there's a ceasefire now. They will regroup, teh criminals i mean.
the israelis, so i am like well there it is, just as predicted.

it's not going to help a lot, so the israeli perpetrators should in fact still be missiled, assasinated just like any, but..

its sth. so lets be glad some of the bloodshed stopped for now. I hate them,
what will tomorow bring teh palestineans? more mean lies? more mean insults? more assasinations?
nice ceasefire , not.
Kill a bunch and get away, profesional murderers witha legal perfect crime.
a militarist state.
bah, disgust is the word for what i feel, i blackmailed europe over the gaz tho
perhaps it will work.
seemed so.

i am not happy without full acces to and from gaza, for material and people.
just that you know?
i dont give a damn about the israeli border crossings.
Every millimeter of dependance on israel means more palestinean deaths and poverty
so its not important.

Gaza

Actually i think this attack on gaza is the israelian way to make sure obama's presidency will not bring world peace, because naturally they have little more to gain from justice. I don't so much belief outside the nationalist propaganda israeli's don't realise the palestinean rockets are a reaction on their actions, no matter how much they will deny that.

Yet it's all they know to talk about, calling it terrorism because that worked before.

Obama for his part has remained silent, i think he hadn't expected this escalation,
because now already rahm turned into a possible liability. otoh we should not forget obama might be in religious odds himself, i dont blame him over churchgoing, but usian churches are amongst the more fundamentalist, so his real thoughts in religious matters may very well be bigotted.

Israeli dogmatics, aka zionism, are anti negroe, so they might want to upset any afroamerican successes beforehand.

That besides the world that voted in obama, or so you want voiced in obama, obviously doesn't sympathise with the israelian method of terrorising the palestineans. They may have thought it was safer to attack now under bush.

An israeli feature of the day is typo lviv, the offspring of violent and rabiate anti arab zionists, raised comfortably in the mansions of the generals.
Well ty[o is a different person from many other israelis, yet her behaviour so far lies completely predictable within the standard israelian politics. Onesided, even deceitfull she says: there is no humanitarian crisis in gaza, just to announce one the next day tho.

Really we should train our memorys to change this worlds vices, so many people have completely forgotten the targetted assasinations, the endless incursions, the artillery bombardments, the ongoing terror of the drones and missiles, etc..
Israelis gladly recognise this fact and hammer on the propagandic statements they by now pressed into most of the worlds duller brains.

Arabs kill another.. they say, or hamas has no right to send rockets, keeping the right to do exactly that as some typical monopolist patent for theirselves.

Endlessly they voice their hatred towards iran, why in fact, it has become so much better and more modern since khomeini passed away and the revolution took root.

I think the reason israel creates all this animosity towards the arab world is fear, they fear an arab world that would be honestly regarded. They need conflicts in arab nations to survive, so they single out arab nation after arab nation for agressive action, they all get their turns, lebanon, syria, iran, and who remembers their polemics and actions against irak? I do..

They founded hamas, subsidised it for being bygotted and religious, now they pretend surprise it turned against them, i bet it was actually conceived the very way.

Divide at impera, so much is obvious for the funding of hamas, and so much is obvious about the entire israelian international politics, that israel creates division when it can.

There is allways a major arab target for israelian prop, sometimes its been syria "syria terrorises lebanon" (who else you might wonder).
Saddam hussein has wmd!
syria has wmd!
Iran has wmd!

we proved it! we bombed them!....(they bombed all 3)

Similarly the palestinean resistance is used to make the point islam is aggressive..
israel assasinated palestineans, so they must be violent... isn't that true?

no, but, who cares, who is paying attention?

Now they have decided to go for the impossible, stop the hamas rocket reaction, oh surely they will eliminate some rockets for some time to come, or even allways,
but they will not break the palestinean spirit anymore, what they have been trying for so long.

I think these 19th century practices against a small overcrowded territory will finally fail to break the palestinean resolve, that has very often been affected by the strategys of division and intimidation.

Israelis think humans are a predictable herd of nay sayers, and by killing enough palestineans there will only remain those with no voiced opinion, with no real ideas, or identity.

They say " we want to change the situation on the ground" (means kill palestinean cadre).

we want a final solution they even said.
eliminate hamas once and for all they started out this adventure, but that i think has already been given up as utterly undoable.

the symptomatic suppression of the mostly symbolic rockets reaction, is what is now the standard claim, it makes me wonder what will come in it's place.

I have the faint hope palestines prepared for this agression and set up many remotely controlled roadside bombs to eliminate the israelian tanks, it woudl force israel to also sacrifice life, lives, and it would hurt them dearly to see some of their sophisticated tools of carnage desinvested.

who knows, israel seems to have lost grip with reality, in recent years, the attack on lebanon, bloody carnage and pollution it may have been, has not led to military succes much, alltho it stopped some rockets coming from lebanon,

the usual downfall of a militairy oppressor goes in small significances, they loose a bit of the war here or there first, and after that a loosing streak will finalise the doom of the agressor, and perhaps israels time has come.

I am glad not to be a palestinean, not to have to encounter the anonymous instruments of terror personally, and i fear for their happiness, their lives, their options, i wouldn't know how to even stand up against drones and missiles, but if they can? However horrible all these events, if they lead to the downgrading of a militairy rule, a militarist policy's, i wouldn't be only sad.

yet i don't like many of the arab governments, many that i do like i have my sidenotes, my remarks ,(i like khadaffi but i hate his grip on power and typical trend to institute a family dynasty.(well so goes for typo, for the bhuttos, for mubarak)

the point there is, two wrongs don't make a right, israel.

good luck all, may this attack on a future of peace and coexistence be defeated in its intends. Let's hope obama won't loose his wits through these escalations, provocations.

whatever rocks your boat. al Jazeera

This is meant to be a critic on reporting on alJ.

I am not much of a media freak, so this basically about the content of the your views page and the actual articles. Sometimes i watch a vid, a report, or a thematic one, but i don't have the media experience to compare them to anything.
Generally spoken the way alJ works with videos on inet, and with you tube, is sympathic. At least the subjects appear to be of more quality then the usual medias, and not rarely the report and way of journalism.

Thats why in alJ articles there is a lot of unexpected to be found. Reporters are almost always on spot, or none farther of then other journalists.
However...i do notice a trend also on alJ to disturb the news. well not really the news only mayb.. but its backgrounds. it goes like this:

alJ has a dedication to informing, and as such often they go into great detail repeating the background of a situation. A thing btw. you may notice many other newspapers articles do. They use something close to mantras. Wen something happens,
the official variety of the context and history is donned at us endless numbers of times.
Usually you can just skip such matters. No need to read something you read 10 times before. Sometimes its even usefull, like for example trying to memorise political players and partys names in otherways remote and little highlighted nations. Sometimes its plain boring. I think everyone knows by now Bush attacked saddam over faked allegations of wmd (the last thing they might not repeat just as often).

However apparently it is also an instrument of indoctrination.
It appears the storys are not only undercooled at times, they also change. although the story has been repeated a 100 times before, certain detail never emerges, outside specific articles, certain (unwanted by the west) detail even disappear from the callroll. So at most every article on many subjects you get a summing up of a history that gets less complete, less complex and less true over time.

I don't read european media all that much to check if they use the same mechanism. For one thing because their endless repeating of brainless slogans and oneliners to excuse her political and warry behaviour abound just bores me of the pages.

Maybe it's just that i care about alJ, that makes me notice.
However i sometimes think the indoctrination can become extreme, although i do dislike the dutch papers desinforming, i see less of a structure in destroying the detail from the general report. Ofcourse we are alredi more badly informed then muslims need be. I can see the ruling system would see slightly less need in dutch media.

Paradoxally i think alJ is a professional journalists attempt to bring a better reporting, altho commercial or publicationary interests apparently do stand in also their way.

It is strange that such a well meant attempt can only be made with a relatively high level of censory and arbitrage. Not very hopegiving in fact.

So thats with the articles. I think it is my responsability to let ppl know, that alJ is among the first to be subject to mediastrategy, and the creation of blank spaces in our memory, if so told, ordered , forced, or even payed?

Partly it is pragmatically ofcourse, however the pretence of giving the other news, "more of the news", also makes it a very powerfull instrument in this respect.
I fear almost the only reason alJ can exist is it complies.

So thats for the articles, and some of it i only noticed recently.. perhaps the policy has (like once before) changed, for a more paranoid line. Either through extern pressure or through intern complacity or just because we notice it less when it goes slowly.


Your Views:

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/B84B85E3-7E69-4D79-8121-746EBEA7B304.htm

Then on with you views part. I still like this a lot, even tho i am censored at times (and worse at points)The reason to like it are the contributions from everywhere, and a few tough people that just like me always keep an eye on whats going on in a more independend way. Often its not so much good but at least then you get a pretty clear picture of what the antagonists say.

I being an anti-repression person, am often on one of the sides in a debate.
It's still better then to always do the arguments on your own. Actually its quite a soap. Apparently iraki contributions tend to be censored recently, must be they don't at all agree to anything usian , i think.
It can't be they constantly invoke prophets and deity only, cus firstly it still happens (for different gods), and secondly alJ doesnt hesitate to publish as defiling , hatemongering, scournfull and cursing posts of zionists. (I must add superfluously, and sometimes their opponents.)

Zionism is a great thing when censoring me from alJ. I had posts censored over
the corridor through israel plan, wich annoyed me, because its such a good thoughts experiment. I am not sure my post about the "least efficient economy" ((US) and her economical "enemies" was published. And i am sure on at least one occasion a specific anti-governmental remark , that wouldn't flatter israel was left out.

Wich also happened yesterday. Yesterday i wrote concerning the arab plan to park a contingent "peace"soldiers in gaza, that it might be fairer to consider burdening also the jews with an army to feed.
Just that part , what lights out the hypocracy of targetted attacks, decimating hamas supporters etc. was left out. The world remains a view that palestineans need pacifying.

and that is ... al jazeera, thought you might want to know.

Gaza

Poor gazaeans.. poor palestineans, poor we.

After israel secured the security troops still loyal to her and transported 300-500 armed palestineans to the west bank before the border was closed for refugees, there has been revenge on hamas.
Not only that it got thrown out of west bank politics, wich is perhaps not a sine qua non, but definetly justifiable.

Some revenge is not surprising. Despite best attempts to keep calm on both sides, wich perhaps was helped by the 2 months of negotiations, the exchange of power in Gaza, has been with incidents. The death count of the Gaza coup has been 30hamas 90fatah roughly. That is probably partly because westbank militants were not informed of the peacefull surrender, but conceivably partly due to incidents of gaza enthousiasm(and fear). Of this i can't judge more precisely. But apparently there has also been some reprisal, that literally spoken need not be to bad. (i hope gaza reprisalled on ppl with at least a role in the violences).

The death count inside israel remains vaguer. But the overall tone suggests that fatah has eliminated a similar nr of innocent hamas youths (50-100). That perhaps have been defending themselves in the confusion and surprise. I think it is a more clumsy incident then what happened in Gaza but i have no exact figures or facts.
You know the kkk effect on ppl. who think they are more right then others? It has most probably not been a beauty. Anyhow it is hidden. The only suggestion i got was westbank killed a similar nr of hamas .

I take it for granted that westbank means to say hamas has behaved exemplary.
And they will not hold their grudges inside.

Similarly hamas now has to unarm the situation by at least formally and internationally announce their clear intend to hold and create no problems for fellow palestineans that politically disagree.

or rather, why don't westbank and hamas do that unsimilarly.

For now, westbank does not matter. Westbank can lick her fingers at the promises over withheld money to the occupied territorys(1), and distribute political positions what they like, and for Gaza they will be like israel speaking out for palestineans.
People are small.. and westbank has not set a new political measure.

Abbas would have proven greater political value had he eg. only replaced ishmael, or only accorded that one man, with the "good" name that is now connected to the westbank bloodbath incident. It is obvious he is seeking allies , and not to scared to use positions. The result already is not fresh.

Therefore the world should take a better look at what is happening.
We can make the obvious choice between the good(the populace/"terrorists") and corruption.
For an honest eye that choice has always been the one displayed through politics.

Whatever we do to hate the "terrorists" will work. Because they have no rights.
However whatever we do that helps gaza, will complicate our own cause more.
It would proof to the outside world these people are not terrorists but palestineans and it would obviously proof that radical islamism is always still way better then judeochristian "security".((for us all westerners, if we want to change it, the reason is that we lie)

So it is up to us, antagonise them more, and you will eventually antagonise them into terrorist actions perhaps, or at least into ongoing violence around israel,
set up something and you counter the extremer appeal of islam.

up to us, to make war or peace. We have not made the obvious choice in a long time.

(1)newest sick money story, gaza is 'freed' territory, west bank is occupied territory. How does the public eat this rubbish?
Do you know a better way to say i want to spend money in israel? I don't.

Don't tell me it is freed because there is a wall around it, i know the arabs are building walls everywhere to prepare their very own period of the warring states, but that is the israeli wall and not the palestinean.

In charge

Finally the gaza strip is in the hands of hamas. Finally the popular majority can hold her own reigns. Finally not anymore an alienating security force dominate the street picture? Finally we can guard ourselves in our hunger?

I don't know what has been the spark, but i have noticed the glow of the fire before.
Anyway finally we are governed by someone who oposes israeli airstrikes, finally fatah shows up in the repressed and miserable occupied form of representation where it rili stands. The hopeless situation of the west bank.

(remember i felt like writing how we will finally have a decent organisation in gaza again.)
The point i make above is really what i feel, fatah has surrendered to much of her palestine identity to the circumstance. With best intends , though.

I remember how the al aqsa had to be turned into something we (nato had antagonised them a lot) could handle,
and how the result seemed to much influenced to maintain integrity.
I also remember how i thought arming up palestine security forces was a very unfriendly and not very sane measure. I would almost suspect money to come in at this point for lack of a better excuse. (It was at the task desciption i noticed btw... so i am not to blame(1))

From this vantage point fatah(the echelon esp., it was supposed to be hard but some struck it insane) has stuck to her word. Honestly, i suppose.
This is not an everything is ok message just a relativation on the security forces situation, wich is more specific then needed since the situation can be explained through the context of the gaza populace.

I want to stress the sociological aproach, i don't want to say gaza populace is such and such, or has such and such, but show that such development was rather inevitable for any populace in such a (limited) situation.
Now it has happened, i am not surprised at all.
I am surprised but i absolutely understand the logic behind it.(at least i think you might understand it better after reading this)

There are so many reasons people in gaza would be desperate about their life as a result of the negotiations (and blackmail) with israel. There is so little progress (outside eg. hamas social movement, i suppose this is where the islam solidarity could play a role. Well you have to pay for progress somehow.)
Everyone can and should try to understand how very limited the role of regional solidarity gets if the money can get "frozen" (they usually disappear after, at least i never heard of any of these mysteriously reappearing very much).

On with the subject. How would a situation where the security forces motives got to alienated, or to little control of their own actions, (they killed palestineans in some of the early attempts to surpress hamas on international ordres.) a situation were people have some (or at least something internationally called) control over their surrounds?

I tell you what would happen. It would be a politically motivating situation,
you being allowed politics and nothing else (electricity, water, medicines, school money or safety) would make a certain percentage of ppl inhibit political thought.
An arguably artificial political agravation indeed.

So i don't want to say these are majority opinions, i think we can speak of a situation were the feelings of the majority express though the level of power,
governance, ("souvereignity" perhaps). Since nothing (except unfortunate israeli incidents ) can or is allowed to happen in Gaza, the ppl already involved in political thought would feel a more pronounced responsability to reconsider the motives, targets, methods and strategys.(indeed both fatah and hamas got active almost frenzy at some points)

The situation in gaza has been rather shifty with quitte some violence, i think that is how the idea, to just take over, was born. Think logically, we are the majority, ppl would opt for that unity, and we are utterly(internationally) repressed for being us, our people are not respected. Why not try to arrange those affairs with the political reality internally represented. Why not?

You can see the gaza people got very politicised from this incident if you consider it like this, and people should maybe be hopefull because of that , and not angry.

I can think like hamas, the situation is shit, but we are in charge.
Wich is better then the situation is shit and this is not leading anywhere.

Perhaps hamas is more primitive, dutch would get more primitive if you kept taking out their radical reformist leaders, but it reflects its politico-social reality.

Wouldn't every surpressed people within a confinement attempt to organise it's own (consensual,'democratic')structures and hold them over the official one? (sooner or later.)Don't *you* admire the individual that can?

Gaza people's or the hamas political thought goes like:
let us at least try to arrange our own affairs as the shit for standing up for our peoples rights is apparently unrecoverable.

(also economically a half year ago," the damage is done", you know 'discrimination' : some event of that kind.)

I hope hamas will negotiate a truce with europa and the arab union to just get the chance to live untill the regional situation improves that much setting up something there is not a calculated loss, and when we do that fine seems cheaper. pls think education cus later perhaps there will be jobs or possibilities at some point instead) Zion has always been scared for Tyrus, though, and i think they are in charge.

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(1) the really better aproach in such a case is to opportunistically formulate.
a very rare example would have been to actually have had the fatah security army secure palestinean airspace. That is how long i suspect we still stand from solutions in formal ways in general .The example was to striking to go unnoticed somehow..(It would definetly include jetattacks on palestinean civilians. For people persistent in denying that.. i thought i better notice,except ofcourse the palestineans currently in jet-attacks of the israelian populace.
What the israeli's should learn is to make qassam-1s: really hard to stop even by the palestinean security force, walls are forever!