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Monday, December 1, 2008

India (censory)

We have been reading about the shocking evets in mumbai for 4 days now. Nobody with some brains that did some research will deny india has been reporting completely inconsistent and even improbable events, including (several?) that didn't take place.

summing it up would be a lot of work, one example the nr of attackers has been named as: 100, 25, 38 (dont know where) 12, 10, 22, about 30, 100 or more, and 18 and 20.

The nr of dead 'gunmen' can be reconstructed as anything between 9-18. the nr of prisoners at 6 or 7 (unknown nationality) , 3("pakistani"), or 1 (status since yesterday)"pakistani" though the indians deal him 5 different names.
The 10 attacks are now 9 (the second "hospital" 'attack' being raised from the records).

There is nothing known about the circumstances of karkares (and 2 aides) death for
4 days now, although different indian statements suggest 'an attack in the policestation, or near the policestation or death in combat , the suspicion is he is actually murdered by the hindu militants.
(under the guise possibly and with suggestive foreknowledge of the attacks.)

Pakistanis think that is the matter, as they have a much larger record on hindu violence blamed on muslims in india, not in the least place with elections shortly.
Pakistani's on that line of thought aren't even sure the whole matter wasn't 1 of hindu militants.

then there is the matter of the nationality of the attackers, two of them spoke during the action and were recorded to the public. 1 probably an indian, native hindi speaker, that adressed the muslim rights in india, he actually appeared to be someone from a small village, that had needed to learn the words to represent his case.
so he went through political schooling (or so you want indoctrination, wich is inevitably connected), although the boy made rational points only (not much of the pbhm stuf etc.). The other person is rumoured to have had a pakistani(1) accent.

Then there is suggestive evidence english phones were on the guy's, the few publicly published photo's appear to show indians, though a witness described some (at taj) as 'whites' (suggesting more pale then the average pakistani to me), but for the man it appeared synonymous with pakistani. He was an indian national tho and a tad more brown then the average wellbeing pakistani with a manager job.

If he is sincere he could know. But i doubt he is very sincere. All the people gotten out of the hotels had been instructed not to tell certain things and details.

Ok i think i have made my point enough. the situation is very vague at best despite 4 days of international coverage, wich i think for the most part hopped dutily behind the indian official version. (without asking serious questions, or seriously investigating the several incidents (karkare))(1).

Now what does this tell us about india? Not much good, does it?
Considering the anti-pakistani stance one would guess hindu sentiments are abused in elections. The inherent denial of the own wrongdoings, paired with known hindu violence, supports that muslims in india hae a lot to complain. (so does participating journalism). It is not very obvious how many of these complaints relate to religious practice tho. My guess is that it is a mix, wich leaves the western side with india possibly. Since the mechanics of islam nations tend to be religiously coloured, if anything we want to modernise kashmir, and not traditioalise it, that should be obvious.

It's relevant that india is "in the western camp", pakistan also is , but the indian side has had and will have some preferential treatment.
Ok now what matters here is that bad media coverage is then not a good message,
it means the 'western(est)' side is spelling war.

okay.. with the secret involvement i suspect in the mumbai case itself, then this can also be analysed from the perspective it would be a preparation for a more hostile attitude. The completely ridiculous suggestion here is that all the nato-effort and pakistani manpower couldnt challenge the north pakistani community's, and they expect it to run better when india contributes.. operating from a set of provinces that are neigh to starting an outright violent struggle.

a costly experiment in militairy terms.(..)

This scenario is not as farfetched as it seems. So long as nato policy does not want to admit it's err's, it will try to find excuse from it.
What follows is that the perceived flaws and tactics of the afghans are projected on the like minority's that exist in pakistan and india. Single mindedly kashmir is perceived as a 'next terrorist reservoir' and probably in terms of information and control treated like that. wich means that the kashmiri focus in the indian nation is not apreciated and overlooked,(or failed to achieve even 1% support in 55 years).

the indian coverage is "100%" nationalist and plain (all the time the same pictures, (like israeli stations featured the baby jewish boy picture for almost whole 24 hours.)

The whole jewish building matter in this still smells. In essence i completely don't understand the police actions there, i am sorry to say that i would need way more convincing (and probably detailed) documentation before i can make anything of it.

The giant spectacle around that building can be 3 things, a serious indian attempt
to 'save jews', a serious indian(?) attempt not to save jews, just a huge spectacle.

How am i to tell, surely it is propagandistically exploited.
What happened to 'other' attackers?? not a single information, but from the hotels, or the jewish centre.

I still go with the hotels for my conclusions like in the first bit i wrote about this. The action on karkare is relatively surely a political murder, except the first attack on the station no other attacks have substantialised in the 100 plus articles i seen or read. Like i concluded in the second piece: Information that romantically still arrives i would regard with thorough distrust anyhow.

Third conclusion "on the international approaches", as long as the western public hasn't the power and persistence to question each and every detail of the situation it will have a negative impact on them. The origin of that is scattery, yet what stands out is the reason is weapons trade, euphemistically 'free trade', and in fact the disempowered masses having no say in their future.(capitalism aka fascism).

It shows us(the rich west) silly, but with indian and pakistani blood on our hands.
It also shows we will have to keep strong reservations to the indian policy's,
the indian establishment, i have seen it mentioned as "zio-hinduism" somewhere.

As it stands either the indians don't have their analyses round, or they support the west in the idea that a war on the muslims in and close to india will weaken their position for the indian government. I would call that "bloody naive".
Look at irak eg. or afghanistan,even palestine, lebanon, under stress and occupation muslims turn from 'completely religious' into 'extremely religious'.In extreme cases their actions for the most part stop making sense except as a bloody reminder.

A real muslim would make fun about that india exagerated the nr of attackers with 2, and 8 people sufficed to get the indian police to kill 50 of theirselves among with some 100 collateral hotel guests, Also that 5 of the attackers actually escaped (like in 9-11).4 of their names we know from the indian media.

But actually something else happened, and perhaps it was a sad carnage, like a respresaille against a village. sth. u'd expect in kongo, but i think also happened in irak and afghanistan, north pakistan. the whole instructing of guests and prolonged escaping suggest the indian police got footholds in the buidling rather quickly and found it impossible to hit much but indian guests during a lot of the operation, probably due to the small nr of attackers.(7).

If it is true the attackers went for a maximum lethal effect, obviously the indians did well in keeping the gunmen under pressure inside(?!) the building.(taj)

the oberon hotel event is even less clear. apparently 28 guests got killed, yet it is also described as a carnage, the nr of attackers is hard to reconstruct, but could then well be the offial nr of 3 or 4. It is not excempt the 3 disappeared, (inconvenient?) prisoners of doubtfull pakistani background came from here.

At least the effect there seems to not have been maximum lethality, the indians slowly blasted their way through each and every floor getting the 'gunmen' only at the top floor (they must have had a pile of gasmasks.)

in the jewish orthodox centre the attackers are supposed to have carried "100 kilo of chicken meat" so they can't have been with 3 it seems. (they were running in after dropping a bomb). The nr's of hostages there also makes no sense, it's either, 5 or 6,
(dead) or about 10-12 (during the event), unexplained how or why.
considering i don't think the indian account of the events is very credible, i almost feel as if upon me writing this, israel will raise the death figures, i would like to see pakistani, chinese, japanese, german, palestine and russian confirmation of the forensic events, i am quite convinced usian, yurpean, indian and their assorted allies confirmation i can get. Whatever the as yet inexistant 'whole story' they decide to go with.

i'll quiz into it a bit more,

(1) not without some doubts as to kashmir border region
(1) relevant is that the nr of KIA civil servants is high, over 40, this is also not represented in the coverage. I am under the impression that especially at the taj india was forced into action by foreign pressure.

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