useless procedures.

perhaps you didn't notice, but these days there are bunches of procedures against high profile persons. Annoyingly most take place here, in this nation, netherlands,

the credibility is low , even here. If anything is shown on tv (i dont watch it much), its poche people having almost overtly poche opinions and a very 'liberal'
(rightwing cryptofascist) talk, that say stuff. Obviously making a heap of money there.

whats obvious is they neither want to loose their job nor their relevance, tho importance is a better word here perhaps.

Apart from that incidental pro- pro- propagation, there is none said about it here. People don't follow the provedures, papers don't publish them. What i get to hear comes from international sources.


A lot of the guys that end up in these new procedures (supposedly for human rights),
die in the dutch prisons. charles taylor, karadzic? and others still alive, one wonders how they will be dealt with.

So from that perspective it seems these procedures serve an international purpose. Noone here appears to really care more then me. And i don't care much about show trials.

Apparently this kind of use of the tool of justice gave satisfying results before.
Otherways why would the show go on? But it is humiliating, justice is not served.

partial pocje people with partial poche opinions and motives judging partially not so poche people. A krap show.

Lately i saw a comment calling it the zionist the hague. It struck me, i think it is so, so that the hague will never say a thing anti israel, like they won't conclude anything against western multinational corporations.

For me it doesn't appear zionist that much, i am used to poche people promoting targets that will only serve the very rich. The whole thought hadn't even occured to me.(i think)

so it struck me, perhaps you know it's a hot itaem at the moment?

Thats is because the assasination of harire is now also subject of a hagueish procedure, a very out of context one. The results of the initial inveestigation were not to the likes of usa and israel, so now the netherlands will be a tool to promote the lie in people..

well i have a weak interesse in justice, trials etc. so i did actually keep a bit up to date when milosevic was there. Tho it's kept out of publicity here, i think they fear protests. It was so shitty, so prejudiced , so anti-milosevic from the first second to the last it belongs to the great shames of history what is taking place in the hague now.

As a result i have the following problem: how and where will we judge guilt and complacity in cases where human rights are violated.

Because that human rights have been violated in any of the defendents nations is painfully obvious.

It's a classical dillema, the neurenberg trials did decide the indicidual was responsible for their deeds, even in the light of a militairy structure of ordres and represailles,, befehl ist befehl was not a valid excuse..

after a while (so abouts 1960) it became obvious however, befehl ist befehl was only not an excuse for germans, and a collective blame was sought (and found) in the mentality allowing the fascism. A collective guilt, one noone knows how to cope yet, in a world where ordre is still ordre, befehl ist immer noch befehl..

The very latest such fraude is the bashir case, for all you innocent who don't know i will try and explain, hasir is the president of sudan. I hope he leaves soon, no kidding, he has been president for many years, and personally i do blame him partly for the deathtoll that was the result.

Yet you cannot judge that really without a fair trial, an option there is not. The hague is a political tool, howver bad its victims have behaved it is allways only one side that is judged, where are the bushes and balkenendes in these trials, how do millions of iraki count less then 1000s of jugoslavs? and why is bombing 60k or more serbs to dead in a single event not a massmurder? not a crime against humanity?

The trial against bashir , and with him sudan , africa and the muslem nations, is only to get a hold on the darfur oil. If you know it, it is painfull to watch.

perhaps even worse is that this unfairness will not result in better human rights. These procedures socalledly promoting human rights, actually serve the opposite purpose.


what a waste, so i have been thinking, what then...
i like the cambodian trial more there. At least part of the case (it is an international incite once again) is fared through khmer themselves.

i think so long presidents can stay for years, so long nations can kill millions unhampered, thosse kind of trials are better of in the nations where the stuff actually took place. I don't think it will work much better or faster ( a bit tho),
but we dont become complicit in the destruction of the real meaning of justice.

ok a couple of rich blokes from a rich familys will loose a well payed, highly valued job, but it would be a good step towards human rights (and probably cheaper;)